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it happened (aka conservatives are rude) by ophalm
April 30, 2009, 11:44 am
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posted by ophalm

I accidentally watched the news. I saw some article about boot camp and sending young children there to make tshirts for middle class white teens. in fact here are a couple from stuff here and here

but this post isn’t so much about that as it is about conservatives, those dirty fuckers. but the boot camp fiasco highlights the issue, and it’s timely with the recent posting about political correctness by an evidently uninformed young person

the gist of the boot camp article is that national in all their privileged wisdom want to sentence young offenders to boot camp for a while, help straighten them out. on the very surface this seems like a good idea I guess. but then we start getting some more opinions and facts coming through:

“We found no evidence whatsoever that it does anything other than to prepare young people to live in a military world, not be good family members,” Chief Families Commissioner Jan Pryor said. “In some instances they have been shown to increase offending.”

oh yeah..

Unicef’s Barbara Lambourn said the bill pandered to “populist and ill-informed pitchfork-and-torches mentality” and said harsher punishment increased the likelihood of reoffending. It also breached United Nations conventions. “…Children’s rights are being knowingly disregarded.”

uh huh..

Putting children in the criminal justice system also left them vulnerable to physical and sexual abuse and “put them in the company of their peer group which is just ideal for teaching criminality”.

on the news article on the ‘vision there was something along the lines of “those who work on the coalface, the youth workers say that this is a terrible idea”..

but what’s national doing? going ahead with it anyway. and this is to me what conservatism is all about. see we’ve got these priviliged white people who see a problem, and thinking back to their oppressive roots (being the oppressor) they conceive of the harshest way to deal with the problem within the realms of vaguely keeping human rights intact, because they generally believe that if something is bad people will avoid it and therefore crime will be stopped etc etc etc.

yet all the studies, evidence and opinions from those that are relevant say that’s not the way. they say we need a more reasonable approach – which probably requires more work and grace – that actually results in positive change, not just retribution. but conservatives just don’t give a fuck about any of that stuff and go ahead anyway.

and you can apply this theory to almost any attempt of social change that conservatives do. drug policies instantly jump to mind; “if we make the punishments for doing drugs harsh, people won’t do them and society will be saved” only anyone who has a clue realises that it doesn’t work. there is a problem in our society with drugs, but laws aren’t going to fix it, it’s a health issue.

I used to sum up conservatives (vs liberals) like this: conservatives want society to suit them and liberals want society to suit everybody and yes it’s a massive generalisation but it fits.

what’s most offensive of course is that the majority of the population is ignorant enough to vote conservatives into power every once in a while – and why? because the conservative approach of keeping themselves in the good and everyone else in the suck appeals to a large proportion of society who (believes) that it will keep the status quo with their privileged lifestyle.

a bit ott maybe? /rant


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Comment by dangercore

Conservatives are also obsessed with ‘worldviews’ – it’s the new Christian fad-phrase and they’ve even got boot camps in America teaching this stuff now:


Comment by James

I get the feeling you’re not from NZ.. we don’t have a lot of christians here so conservatism and christianity don’t go hand in hand necessarily.

maybe it’s sad to realise that conservatism exists in the absence of religion too

Comment by ophalm

Nah, conservatism and religion go pretty much hand in hand here in NZ. You can see it from the majority of the blog comments at http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz.

Comment by James

while I’d generalise and say most christians are conservative, it’s far from saying most conservatives are christian

Comment by ophalm

Interesting View I would agree that it might be an idea that ‘sounds good’ to white middle classers (obviously the demographic of the week) but is not backed up by evidence. BUT what is an alternative solution? Or are the media simply creating a ‘youth crime’ story to sell?

Comment by strangelyanonymous

I’m not really versed in youth work with delinquents, but if the boot camp actually increases reoffending then a better idea would be to do nothing..

what would be even better would be working with the particular youths more I guess. Put more $$ into social work and education.. but I don’t know enough to have a real educated opinion on that specifically.

Comment by ophalm

Bah! Since when has the government let things like “facts” and “studies” get in their way? Next you’ll be telling me they are public servants working for the common good!

Comment by criticalwat

Ya, I like you analysis: it can be like running in circles and the ignorante people put the wrong guys every so often to govern, maybe more often than we may think. The statists (the socilists, the conservatives and their christian friends) usually think they know better than others or they can help others better than leave people help themselves, and therefore run massive projects over everyone without any regard to freedom, justice, studies or facts. Socilists having correctly diagnosed that the people are impoverished so the attempt to provide a bitter medicine that unwittingly generate serious side-effects. Liberals logical just people are very rare in govt top posts.

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